The Man Walking Out Will Tell You the Truth
On the list of fires: “the exit interview”
Module 4 · Hiring & Keeping Roofers · Play 8 of 13
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The problem in one breath
A good roofer just gave notice, and your whole focus is covering his jobs for the next two weeks. So he works out his time, shakes your hand, and drives off — taking with him the one straight answer you've been missing: why he really left. Six months later the next guy walks for the exact same reason, and you still don't know what it is.
Why it happens
The man who's staying will never tell you what's broken — he's got a paycheck to protect and a foreman to keep happy, so he keeps his head down and says "all good." The man who's leaving has nothing left to lose. He's already got the next job. That makes him the one man in your shop who'll say it flat out — and it's the exact moment you're too busy covering his jobs to sit down and ask.
The play
His last week, you sit him down for twenty minutes and mine the real reason before he's out the door. This is the man who quit on his own — letting a man go is a different day and a different play (M4-05, "The Crew's Watching How You Let Him Go").
- Tell him you want it blunt, and mean it. Start by thanking him — he helped build the shop, and this is him doing you one last favor. Then say it plain: "I won't argue with anything you tell me, and it won't follow you. I want the ugly version, because if something ran you off, it'll run off the next guy too." Then pin what that promise means, because he's sitting there wondering: "It won't follow you means I won't hold it against you, and the next boss who calls me hears none of it."
- Two questions first: what was good, what wasn't. Before anything else, hit him with the two big ones — the best part of working here, and the worst. Let both run. Then chase the specifics: which job, which foreman, which week it turned. The gripe he leads with is usually the real one.
- Dig at the three things that walk men off. Did he always know what you expected and how he was doing — or was he guessing? When he needed a yes — a change order, a callback, a day off — could he get it fast, or did waiting on you cost him? And did he want to show up: what killed that, and did a gripe have anywhere to go that got it fixed? Those three drain more good hands than pay ever does.
- Ask the one about you — then shut up. "What could I have done better as the owner?" Then take it. Don't explain, don't defend, don't tell him he's got it wrong. Write it down and say thanks. That answer is the one that saves your next hire, and the second you argue it, he stops giving it to you.
- Look for the pattern, not the one guy. One exit is a story; three exits pointing the same direction is a leak. If the last three all named the same foreman, or "no room to move up," or the Saturdays — that's the thing to fix, and fixing it is the whole point of asking. Keep the reason from every man who leaves so the pattern can't hide.
Better still, catch the drift a month early with the pulse check (M4-04, "Catch the Quit a Month Before It Happens") — the exit sheet is your backstop for the ones it missed.
Do this this week
Take the last man who quit. In one honest line, write the real reason he left — not the reason he gave, the real one. If you can't fill that line in, that blank is the problem this play fixes. Then print the card below and keep it in your desk, so the next man to give notice doesn't drive off with the answer still in his head.
The tool
No spreadsheet — a one-page sheet you run through in his last week and keep afterward, so the reasons stack up and the pattern shows:
THE EXIT SHEET — the man who's leaving, his last week
Name: __________________ Last day: __________ Reason he gave: __________________
"I won't argue it and it won't follow you — give me the ugly version."
("won't follow you" = I won't hold it against you, and the next boss who calls hears none of it)
Best thing about this place: ______________________________________
Worst thing: ______________________________________
Did he always know what was expected / how he was doing? Y / N -> ____________
Could he get a yes from you fast enough to do the job? Y / N -> ____________
Did he want to come to work — what killed it? ______________________
Somewhere safe to raise a gripe that got fixed? Y / N -> ____________
"What could I have done better as the owner?" (take it, don't defend)
______________________________________________________________
THE REAL REASON (your honest read): ______________________________
Pattern watch — last three who left said: ____ / ____ / ____
If your crew is 1099
Keep it to the business. A sub isn't your employee, and the personal side of this sheet — "did you feel treated right, what killed your motivation" — is the ongoing-management stuff that blurs a 1099 into an employee. When a steady sub stops taking your jobs, a short, straight talk still pays: was the work worth his while, were your terms and pay timing fair, would he run more jobs down the road. Same goal — learn what drove off a good sub — without treating him like a man you employed.
M4-08 · The Man Walking Out Will Tell You the Truth — Roofer MBA, https://roofermba.com/plays/hiring-keeping/the-exit-interview
The one thing
Do this this week
Take the last man who quit. In one honest line, write the real reason he left — not the reason he gave, the real one. If you can't fill that line in, that blank is the problem this play fixes. Then print the card below and keep it in your desk, so the next man to give notice doesn't drive off with the answer still in his head.
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Same fire
A crew lead quit on you
- M4-08the exit interview — you’re here
- M1-07your next foreman already works for you
Fixed this?
The hole he left is a hiring fire now — and your next lead may already work for you.
The fire right behind it is usually You're hiring.