What the Manufacturer's Badge Costs You, and What It Pays
On the list of fires: “what the maker's badge costs you”
Module 15 · Buying Material · Play 5 of 6
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The problem in one breath
Your rep wants you signed up in the shingle maker's contractor program. The pitch is a badge for the truck door, warranty coverage you can sell her at the kitchen table, and a stack of hoops. You ask what it's worth and nobody can tell you a number.
Why it happens
Nobody is lying to you. The rep knows what the program requires and what it's called; he does not know your job costs, your close rate, or what a training day costs you in June. The cost side of this decision lives entirely in your shop, and nobody has ever added it up. So it gets decided the way most shop purchases do — the guy was nice, the badge looks good, sign here.
Badges are also easy to want. It feels like getting picked. That feeling is not a return.
The play
Treat it like any other thing you buy. Price both sides on one page, then decide.
Get what you give and what you get, in writing, off their own paperwork. The maker sets requirements. In exchange you get access to warranty coverage you can sell and some marketing help. What the requirements are, what they cost, what tiers there are if any, and what each one actually gives you is the maker's to publish and your rep's to walk you through. Ask for the paper, not a conversation.
Price the cost side on paper. Any fee or dues. Any training days it costs you, priced at what that day earns you. The extra paperwork per job, and who in your shop does it. Then the one nobody counts: if his program pushes your buying onto one maker — his paper will tell you whether it does — the other brands' pricing comes off the table. You can still shop branches on the same shingle (Play 4) and keep a line open at each one (Module 6, Play 12) — you just can't shop makers. That's a real cost even though no invoice ever shows it.
Price the return side honestly — this is the half nobody does. Two questions, and they're the whole decision. Can you charge more for a roof with it? Do you close more roofs because of it? Careful with that second one: an extra roof pays only what's left after material and labor, so the card wants the job's profit there, never the roof price. A price bump is nearly all yours; write that one whole. Then measure both instead of guessing. Write one sentence off his paperwork — what it opens up, in her words — and say it the same way in your next ten bids: this is available on your roof, want me to price it? Write down who leaned in and what you got. Ten bids is cheap. A year of dues on a story you told yourself is not.
A warranty you can't explain on one page sells nothing. If you can't say what it covers in plain words, she won't pay for it, and you've bought a badge. Copy it onto the warranty page (Module 13, Play 3) off the maker's own paper, and know what filing one actually takes before you sell it (Module 13, Play 4). Keep the two warranties in two boxes: yours is the workmanship, the maker's is the material (Module 6, Play 18). Whether a program moves that line is on the maker's paper, not ours.
Decide it once a year, on the page. Signing up is a purchase and so is staying in. Do the homework in the same quiet week as your once-a-year sitting with the branch (Play 4) — one slow month, not a new ritual.
Do this this week
Call your rep and ask him to send the program's own paperwork — the requirements and the costs, in writing. One call. Read it with the card in front of you.
The tool
The certification math is one printable page: what to ask the maker's rep, the cost side, the return side, and one line at the bottom where the two get compared. Fill the ask column off his paperwork, not off memory. Fill the cost column off your own numbers — your day rate, your bid count. Leave the return side blank until the ten bids are done, then fill it in and read the bottom line out loud. If the bottom line is negative and you still want it, that's fine — just know you're buying a badge, not a return.
THE CERTIFICATION MATH — price both sides before you sign anything
Maker: ______________________ Program (their name for it): __________
Rep: ______________________ Date asked: __________
WHAT I ASKED HIM FOR - IN WRITING, OFF THEIR OWN PAPER
[ ] The requirements to get in, and to stay in
[ ] Every cost: fees, dues, training, anything per job
[ ] What warranty coverage it opens up, in their words
[ ] What marketing or leads come with it, if any
[ ] What happens to jobs already sold if I drop out
[ ] Who at the maker answers when a claim goes sideways
THE COST SIDE - MY NUMBERS, PER YEAR
Fees / dues $ __________
Training days x what a day earns me $ __________
Paperwork per job x jobs per year $ __________
One maker only: $ ____ a square x ____ squares $ __________
(a like shingle quoted elsewhere - no invoice ever shows it)
COST TOTAL $ __________
THE RETURN SIDE - MEASURED, NOT GUESSED, PER YEAR
What I say in the bid, off his paper, same words every time:
______________________________________________________________
Can I charge more?
$ ______ more per roof x ______ roofs $ __________
Do I close more?
______ extra roofs x $ ______ profit each $ __________
(profit left after material and labor, NOT the roof price)
Ten-bid test: pitched ____ she asked about it ____ won ____
RETURN TOTAL $ __________
RETURN minus COST = $ __________ In [ ] Out [ ]
Decided by: ______________ Date: ______ Look again: ______
If your crew is 1099
If a program's requirements reach the men on the roof — training, who may install, how a crew is made up — that is a real constraint on a sub company, and it belongs in the paperwork between you, not in a phone call. It goes in the agreement (Module 12, Play 2) before his crew starts. What the requirements actually say is the maker's to state; get it from them in writing and hand him that, not your version of it.
One more thing: this play is how we run a shop — it's not legal advice. Rules change by state and by contract, so before you act on the legal-sounding parts, run them past your own attorney or accountant. It's your business, and what you do with any of this is your call and your responsibility.
M15-05 · What the Manufacturer's Badge Costs You, and What It Pays — Roofer MBA, https://roofermba.com/plays/procurement/what-the-badge-is-worth
The one thing
Do this this week
Call your rep and ask him to send the program's own paperwork — the requirements and the costs, in writing. One call. Read it with the card in front of you.
Take it with you
One email unlocks this and every other sheet and card on the site. The plays stay free.
Same fire
Your rep's pitching a program and you can't tell if it's worth it
- M15-04what your account is worth
- M15-05what the maker's badge costs you — you’re here
Fixed this?
A program is worth exactly what it puts on the bottom of a job, and that's the only place worth checking it.
The fire right behind it is usually Jobs sell but the profit isn't there.